Oriental Holdings Bhd: The Buy-Hold Advantage
In my previous post I described the story of Anne Scheiber, an unsung hero in the investment world. Scheiber owned a portfolio of stocks worth US$22 million when she died.
Notably she made lots of money by investing and holding on to a pharmaceutical stock called Schering Plough. From what I read, she has never sold a share… just kept holding on and buying more.
What? Buy and Hold? “That’s just not for today’s market!” … I hear you say.
Maybe so.
Last night while watching CNBC, I heard a commentator say that US stocks are trading lower now than they were 10 years ago. That includes many of the big blue chips.
I haven’t held stocks for that long, but the ones I’ve held for 3-4 years are mostly out of the money… which means I’m sitting on paper losses. So in hindsight, should I have sold 6 or 12 months ago? Sure… but you know what they say about hindsight right?
I’ve always held the view that short of the divine, it is impossible to time the market.
Meaning that you never know when the market has peaked and when it has hit rock bottom. So why try to time the market at all? Just decide that you want to be an investor for your Life Occupation and don’t even think about quitting your job!
“When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider: God has made the one as well as the other.”
Ecclesiastes 7:14 (NIV)
But having said that, I’d agree that for most people, Buy and Sell is better than Buy and Hold.
In his book Even Buffett Isn’t Perfect, author Vahan Janjigian suggests that “unless you have access to Buffett-like resources, it is better to think of yourself as a stock buyer than a business buyer.”
See unlike Buffett, I can’t afford to buy the entire company and totally ignore the share price. In contrast, if Buffett feels that Mr Market is being foolish, well he can just buy the whole company right?
There’s a big difference when you can afford to buy the whole thing. Think about it… if you bought a house and someone comes along tomorrow and tells you it’s worth 30% less, would you listen to him? You’d probably tell him to fly a kite wouldn’t you? You’ve bought the house, you can afford to pay the bank loan, you can afford to keep it for the next 10 years and you know it will go up eventually. So why listen to Mr Market?
But hang on, what about Anne Scheiber? She doesn’t have Buffett-like resources – yet Buy and Hold has worked for her!
Buy and Hold is Fantastic
… if you can pick wonderful companies and have an investment horizon of 40 years.
Both Warren Buffett and Anne Scheiber have been investors for more than 40 years.
Anne Scheiber invested in businesses that she knew and understood. She loved the movies. And she invested in Columbia, Paramount and so on. She was a Coke/Pepsi drinker and she had shares in both. She took medication, so she invested in Schering Plough and Bristol Myers Squibb.
Actually if you believe Peter Lynch, picking the right stocks is not beyond the normal person:
“Twenty years in this business convinces me that any normal person using the customary three percent of the brain can pick stocks as well as, if not better, than the average Wall Street expert.”
Oriental Holdings Berhad – What if You had Bought and Held?
I happened to be reading the Annual Report of Oriental Holdings Berhad (ORIENT) the other day and came across a statement by Chairman Dato Loh Cheng Yean:
“A holding of 1,000 stocks in Oriental when it was listed in 1964 would translate into 40,255 Oriental stocks worth RM263,670, based on the share price of RM6.55 at the end of 2007. In addition the stocks would have earned a total gross dividend of RM137,660. The gross dividends received and the appreciation in value is equivalent to a remarkable average rate of return of 14.60% for each of the 44 years.”
This sounds pretty good… see once again we’re talking 40 years. I find Oriental Holdings to be quite “remarkable” because it is such a diverse collection of different businesses which include auto assembly, auto parts manufacturing, oil palm, hotels, property etc. But 85% of its RM498 million Operating Profit is from auto and oil palm.
In the 4-5 years after the 1997 crash, Oriental’s earnings were down or at best flat, then since 2001 it started taking off and the company became a cash cow, building its Net Cash position to more than RM1.3 billion as at end-2007.
Oriental Holdings is a low profile company. I remember that I mentioned this company to a friend casually over dinner one night and she’s never heard of it. And this was no ordinary friend – she’s a Fund Manager & Analyst.
But if you had bought and held on to this company since listing, you’d be pretty happy.



November 27th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Looks promising from the stats. But I must admit I have no idea about this company. Hahhaa. I also practice “buy things only you know” principle. I used to make a lot of impulsive buys but I’ve calmed down a lot. I’ve lost more than enough to learn a lesson.
November 28th, 2008 at 8:51 am
hey are you a fund analyst as well?
anyway yes I agree with the Buy-Hold Advantage…
my friends always think hey i have not enough to buy a share… and i’ve alway have to tell them, step by step (or rather one by one), balance it out over the time and wait for years… I bet you will have what you want in the end, but pick the good ones…
they still couldnt see the point
November 28th, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Hi Alvin, we all make mistakes… that’s how I learn too
Hi Lisa, no lah… I’m only Hobby Analyst, don’t listen to me too much OK
But for what it’s worth, I believe your are right. Everyone has to start somewhere. For many people, coming up with RM10-20k investment money should no problem. And if you can set aside RM300 per month and stick to it, I’m sure you’d be much better off in the end!
December 3rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm
I stand corrected – While Oriental Holdings is a low profile company, it has not escaped the radar system of my Analyst friend. She actually knows this company but was just teasing me as usual. To prove it, she gave me some useful stats & facts on Oriental:
“The stock is rather illiquid. Average daily volume traded since 2000 is about 250k. Nevertheless. there are some funds which have positions in OH, hence there are not entirely off radar, but also noted that these funds have longer holding power and significant fund size. They are EPF (9.4% equity stake), PNB (7.2%), Skim Amanah (6.7%), Aberdeen Investment (2.0%) and the rest (very small holdings).”
December 28th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Oriental is the listed arm of teh Boon Siew Group,everyone in Malaysia will know the household name of Boon Siew Honda.
It is rather Illiquid, as the owner familt control almost 60% of the company and 25% by fund. Popular share as for dividend pay out.
100% of the assets (real assets) are at cost or 1970′s valuation.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Interesting. Forgot about Oriental. Honda franchise was wrested away from them to DRB….wonder how they doing with the Korean marque
June 19th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
There’s an article in TheEdge on Oriental Holdings this week. Sime Darby has now taken over the Hyundai business. Oriental will be trying to grow its palm oil and property development business. Lots of cash but nowhere to invest it, what a nice problem to have