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		<title>By: nazim</title>
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		<dc:creator>nazim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>work with PCL for last 10years for bulk and now with oil n gas.believe me,its right move in long term in shipping sector.bulk always flipflop wth oil..its a good move for lonng term continuity for shipping.ship demand in oil n gas more higher rate then bulkers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>work with PCL for last 10years for bulk and now with oil n gas.believe me,its right move in long term in shipping sector.bulk always flipflop wth oil..its a good move for lonng term continuity for shipping.ship demand in oil n gas more higher rate then bulkers.</p>
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		<title>By: APM Automotive Holdings Berhad : Horizon.my</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/01/maybulk-posh-acquisition-stirs-emotions/comment-page-1/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>APM Automotive Holdings Berhad : Horizon.my</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it was an article in TheStar Business on Friday about Maybulk. Huh??? I wrote about Maybulk in January and said that I wasn’t too hot on this company anymore. And it seems that Maybulk directors also [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it was an article in TheStar Business on Friday about Maybulk. Huh??? I wrote about Maybulk in January and said that I wasn’t too hot on this company anymore. And it seems that Maybulk directors also [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MAW</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/01/maybulk-posh-acquisition-stirs-emotions/comment-page-1/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>MAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The choice management makes will prove either valuable or disappointing for shareholders long before the results appear in an annual report. &lt;&lt;— i find not many Malaysian company has good decision on their business strategy which may sometimes cause more harm than benefit..&quot;

Yes, I agree very much. I think this is the reason why there are so few global succesfull Malaysian listed companies. Other reasons might be interest rates kept too low too long time (as long as you make more than the bank interest why bother, why try for a high return?) and the abundance of cheap foreign labour (why bother trying to increase productivity, just hire a few more workers?). Companies with a consistent ROE of 15-20% are very rare on the Bursa.

Larry, often a recovery is driven by largecaps, not smallcaps, I agree. But this happens not always, when smallcaps are really dirtcheap, and some largecaps are holding up very well (sometimes a bit too well, artificially supported), then the opportunity is in smallcaps. This happened for instance in 1998. I do not see that much value in largecaps at the moment, but I am a smallcap investor (actually more mediumcap, but in most countries in the world these would be called smallcaps), so I might be wrong and subjective. 

APM is a company I followed from a distance for many years, will have a look at it again. I always saw it as a good but bit sleepy company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The choice management makes will prove either valuable or disappointing for shareholders long before the results appear in an annual report. &lt;&lt;— i find not many Malaysian company has good decision on their business strategy which may sometimes cause more harm than benefit..&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I agree very much. I think this is the reason why there are so few global succesfull Malaysian listed companies. Other reasons might be interest rates kept too low too long time (as long as you make more than the bank interest why bother, why try for a high return?) and the abundance of cheap foreign labour (why bother trying to increase productivity, just hire a few more workers?). Companies with a consistent ROE of 15-20% are very rare on the Bursa.</p>
<p>Larry, often a recovery is driven by largecaps, not smallcaps, I agree. But this happens not always, when smallcaps are really dirtcheap, and some largecaps are holding up very well (sometimes a bit too well, artificially supported), then the opportunity is in smallcaps. This happened for instance in 1998. I do not see that much value in largecaps at the moment, but I am a smallcap investor (actually more mediumcap, but in most countries in the world these would be called smallcaps), so I might be wrong and subjective. </p>
<p>APM is a company I followed from a distance for many years, will have a look at it again. I always saw it as a good but bit sleepy company.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisalicious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisalicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The choice management makes will prove either valuable or disappointing for shareholders long before the results appear in an annual report. &lt;&lt;--- i find not many Malaysian company has good decision on their business strategy which may sometimes cause more harm than benefit..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The choice management makes will prove either valuable or disappointing for shareholders long before the results appear in an annual report. &lt;&lt;&#8212; i find not many Malaysian company has good decision on their business strategy which may sometimes cause more harm than benefit..</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi MAW, don&#039;t really know much about Evergreen but it looks like they&#039;ve expanded aggressively with new production capacity... not sure if they can fill it, it looks like receivables have crept up and you need to watch the inventory levels carefully. I know there are so many cheap buys out there in the small caps, personally I like APM Automotive which has really proven itself over the years but like Evergreen they are facing tough markets. To the credit of management, two years ago when car manufacturing tanked, APM has managed to maintain earnings and cash flow. Check out how their Net Cash position have steadily increased over the last 4 years even when paying nice dividends and without raising new capital. But at this stage I still prefer large caps to lead any market recovery. Good to keep an eye on the decent second liners though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi MAW, don&#8217;t really know much about Evergreen but it looks like they&#8217;ve expanded aggressively with new production capacity&#8230; not sure if they can fill it, it looks like receivables have crept up and you need to watch the inventory levels carefully. I know there are so many cheap buys out there in the small caps, personally I like APM Automotive which has really proven itself over the years but like Evergreen they are facing tough markets. To the credit of management, two years ago when car manufacturing tanked, APM has managed to maintain earnings and cash flow. Check out how their Net Cash position have steadily increased over the last 4 years even when paying nice dividends and without raising new capital. But at this stage I still prefer large caps to lead any market recovery. Good to keep an eye on the decent second liners though.</p>
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		<title>By: MAW</title>
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		<dc:creator>MAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry, thank you, your website with data looks very nice. 

I agree, Evergreens balance sheet is less than rock solid. However, their profit (which I estimate to be about 90m in 2008) is good, they do have about 100m cash, and most of their borrowings are longterm (shortterm would really be horrible in these testing times). I really hope they can pull it through these testing times. My main concern is recent news that global trade almost is coming to a standstill, that would be bad for a company like Evergreen. So there are real issues regarding their profit in 2009 and possibly 2010.
The management is aware of the problems (according to their last quarterly report), so I really hope they wont expand anymore, and will go in &quot;survival mode&quot;. Companies like Mieco and Heveaboard are doing much worse than Evergreen, in the long run that would be good for Evergreen I think.

They are nicely located next to the PTP port, well focused, have ISO qualifications and do care about the environment, website is professional, dilution is 0%. They bought the Hume company (from Hong Leong) which had a good name, and Hong Leong agreed partly with payment in Evergreen shares (at more than double current shareprice), which is a good sign. Some concern is some subsidiaries are not 100% owned, but other than that, looks excellent.

But, all depends their ability to service their borrowings, agree this is a real risk, and propably explains why the share tades at just 1/4th of the price 1 year ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry, thank you, your website with data looks very nice. </p>
<p>I agree, Evergreens balance sheet is less than rock solid. However, their profit (which I estimate to be about 90m in 2008) is good, they do have about 100m cash, and most of their borrowings are longterm (shortterm would really be horrible in these testing times). I really hope they can pull it through these testing times. My main concern is recent news that global trade almost is coming to a standstill, that would be bad for a company like Evergreen. So there are real issues regarding their profit in 2009 and possibly 2010.<br />
The management is aware of the problems (according to their last quarterly report), so I really hope they wont expand anymore, and will go in &#8220;survival mode&#8221;. Companies like Mieco and Heveaboard are doing much worse than Evergreen, in the long run that would be good for Evergreen I think.</p>
<p>They are nicely located next to the PTP port, well focused, have ISO qualifications and do care about the environment, website is professional, dilution is 0%. They bought the Hume company (from Hong Leong) which had a good name, and Hong Leong agreed partly with payment in Evergreen shares (at more than double current shareprice), which is a good sign. Some concern is some subsidiaries are not 100% owned, but other than that, looks excellent.</p>
<p>But, all depends their ability to service their borrowings, agree this is a real risk, and propably explains why the share tades at just 1/4th of the price 1 year ago.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MAW... I did hear the same thing about Genting. Agree with you on Maybulk coz the Baltic Dry Index will be low for some time yet. I did check out Evergreen some time ago, their revenue growth has been impressive, but capex spending has been high and their borrowings have gone up. We compiled their data some time back, you can check it out here:
http://www.horizon.my/investor/details.php?counter=evergrn
Click on Cash Flow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MAW&#8230; I did hear the same thing about Genting. Agree with you on Maybulk coz the Baltic Dry Index will be low for some time yet. I did check out Evergreen some time ago, their revenue growth has been impressive, but capex spending has been high and their borrowings have gone up. We compiled their data some time back, you can check it out here:<br />
<a href="http://www.horizon.my/investor/details.php?counter=evergrn" rel="nofollow">http://www.horizon.my/investor/details.php?counter=evergrn</a><br />
Click on Cash Flow.</p>
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		<title>By: MAW</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/01/maybulk-posh-acquisition-stirs-emotions/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>MAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What I don’t understand is that sometimes so called excellent companies in Malaysia would drop a bombshell and do an RPT?&quot;

Ahhhhh, easiest question ever asked, the one and only answer being: $$$$$$$$!

For PCL, they propably were desperate, they loaned already hundreds of USD to POSH, propably went to the banks for more loans, and were turned down. So then they had a look at the juicy balance sheet of Maybulk with its 1 billion RM plus cash, and decided to take a stab at it.

With the independent directors, the independent advisor and the SC all caught sleeping on the job, minority investors just dont stand a chance to fight this kind of deal, the best you can get is to expose it.

Regarding Genting, they do this kind of lousy deal every few year, couple of years ago the issue with the Star cruise company, couple of years back again the issue with Genting International, etc. They already dont have a very good name, they dont care.

For people who stay invested in Maybulk, please consider that the 1 billion or so they made from selling ships, that will not be repeated the next years, ships are going down in value, not up. Their operational profit will be much much less because of the drybulk index falling from a clip. And the juicy 1 billion RM cash with which they could do cheap acquisitions (for instance just now a shipping company in Singapore went bancrupt, also lots of shipping companies trading at very low prices), that cash is gone.

Still, I am not to sad, I invested my Maybulk money in Evergreen Fibreboard, a company MalaysiaFinance wrote about in the past:

http://evergreengroup.com.my/

PE of about 3, dividend yield 12%, price is about half the NAV, decent balancesheet, no dillution, no issues, cant get much cheaper than that can you? There are some macro concerns though, their business is linked to construction/property development which will globally contract these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I don’t understand is that sometimes so called excellent companies in Malaysia would drop a bombshell and do an RPT?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ahhhhh, easiest question ever asked, the one and only answer being: $$$$$$$$!</p>
<p>For PCL, they propably were desperate, they loaned already hundreds of USD to POSH, propably went to the banks for more loans, and were turned down. So then they had a look at the juicy balance sheet of Maybulk with its 1 billion RM plus cash, and decided to take a stab at it.</p>
<p>With the independent directors, the independent advisor and the SC all caught sleeping on the job, minority investors just dont stand a chance to fight this kind of deal, the best you can get is to expose it.</p>
<p>Regarding Genting, they do this kind of lousy deal every few year, couple of years ago the issue with the Star cruise company, couple of years back again the issue with Genting International, etc. They already dont have a very good name, they dont care.</p>
<p>For people who stay invested in Maybulk, please consider that the 1 billion or so they made from selling ships, that will not be repeated the next years, ships are going down in value, not up. Their operational profit will be much much less because of the drybulk index falling from a clip. And the juicy 1 billion RM cash with which they could do cheap acquisitions (for instance just now a shipping company in Singapore went bancrupt, also lots of shipping companies trading at very low prices), that cash is gone.</p>
<p>Still, I am not to sad, I invested my Maybulk money in Evergreen Fibreboard, a company MalaysiaFinance wrote about in the past:</p>
<p><a href="http://evergreengroup.com.my/" rel="nofollow">http://evergreengroup.com.my/</a></p>
<p>PE of about 3, dividend yield 12%, price is about half the NAV, decent balancesheet, no dillution, no issues, cant get much cheaper than that can you? There are some macro concerns though, their business is linked to construction/property development which will globally contract these years.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elora - Congratulations, keep up the good work :)

MAW - Yep the revaluation is a big joke. Remember Maybulk has powerful shareholders, they can do anything they want but someone above is watching. Sorry to hear about your loss, but I am still holding on to some shares haha! waiting to for a good time to offload the rest. There are so many other companies which are more certain bets compared to Maybulk.

MBGE7CLT - It&#039;s a bit sad with Maybulk and Resorts but remember there have been a lot of hanky panky in the US too. Do not let this discourage you from being the best investor possible, I still believe in Buy and Hold but only in very exceptional cases. See http://www.horizon.my/2008/11/oriental-holdings-bhd-the-buy-hold-advantage/
And honest management is so important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elora &#8211; Congratulations, keep up the good work <img src='http://www.horizon.my/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>MAW &#8211; Yep the revaluation is a big joke. Remember Maybulk has powerful shareholders, they can do anything they want but someone above is watching. Sorry to hear about your loss, but I am still holding on to some shares haha! waiting to for a good time to offload the rest. There are so many other companies which are more certain bets compared to Maybulk.</p>
<p>MBGE7CLT &#8211; It&#8217;s a bit sad with Maybulk and Resorts but remember there have been a lot of hanky panky in the US too. Do not let this discourage you from being the best investor possible, I still believe in Buy and Hold but only in very exceptional cases. See <a href="http://www.horizon.my/2008/11/oriental-holdings-bhd-the-buy-hold-advantage/" rel="nofollow">http://www.horizon.my/2008/11/oriental-holdings-bhd-the-buy-hold-advantage/</a><br />
And honest management is so important.</p>
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		<title>By: mbge7clt</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand is that sometimes so called excellent companies in Malaysia would drop a bombshell and do an RPT? Look at Resort, out of no where, it suddenly announce an RPT which hit its share price. I think Buffet investment style of buy and hold, doesn&#039;t work here in Malaysia. Comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand is that sometimes so called excellent companies in Malaysia would drop a bombshell and do an RPT? Look at Resort, out of no where, it suddenly announce an RPT which hit its share price. I think Buffet investment style of buy and hold, doesn&#8217;t work here in Malaysia. Comments?</p>
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