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		<title>By: Ian Kree</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3736</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Kree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing dividend distribution against net income can give you good indicator of whether a REIT company gives you more dividends or keeping more for themselves. Good one give its investors a distribution of at least 90% of their net income and they do it consistently. If you do this, you would suprise to see that they are some &quot;good&quot; REITs which actually could give better dividend but they had choose not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing dividend distribution against net income can give you good indicator of whether a REIT company gives you more dividends or keeping more for themselves. Good one give its investors a distribution of at least 90% of their net income and they do it consistently. If you do this, you would suprise to see that they are some &#8220;good&#8221; REITs which actually could give better dividend but they had choose not to.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3570</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve got some ATRIUM REIT held through a company... I was pleased to learn that the recent distribution went through without any witholding tax deduction at all! According to the Distribution Slip:
- Resident &amp; Non Resident Individuals/Institutions: Witholding Tax 10%
- Resident Corporates:  No Witholding Tax, tax flow through
- Non Resident Corporates: Witholding Tax 25%&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thinknotblink - in the current low interest rate environment, I believe we are seeing some yield firming in the REIT sector in Malaysia. Yields are still 8% plus for most REITs, there should be more medium term upside in unit prices. I&#039;m not too worried unless yields firm to around 6.5-7.0% in which case I&#039;d be taking profits and sidelined. Also depending on an investor&#039;s age profile, it could be good to have a higher portion of high-yield investments in the portfolio. For a retiree, capital growth should not be as crucial as having a nice income stream to enjoy life.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got some ATRIUM REIT held through a company&#8230; I was pleased to learn that the recent distribution went through without any witholding tax deduction at all! According to the Distribution Slip:<br />
- Resident &amp; Non Resident Individuals/Institutions: Witholding Tax 10%<br />
- Resident Corporates:  No Witholding Tax, tax flow through<br />
- Non Resident Corporates: Witholding Tax 25%</p>
<p>Thinknotblink &#8211; in the current low interest rate environment, I believe we are seeing some yield firming in the REIT sector in Malaysia. Yields are still 8% plus for most REITs, there should be more medium term upside in unit prices. I&#8217;m not too worried unless yields firm to around 6.5-7.0% in which case I&#8217;d be taking profits and sidelined. Also depending on an investor&#8217;s age profile, it could be good to have a higher portion of high-yield investments in the portfolio. For a retiree, capital growth should not be as crucial as having a nice income stream to enjoy life.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinknotblink</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3552</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinknotblink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 01:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Curious, REIT dividends are taxed at 10% flat for individuals and you don&#039;t need to declare them in your tax return.

To Larry, keeping REITs in your portfolio is wise provided you have bought them at attractive yields. I have invested in REITs when their yields were as high as 13% and I knew it was quite unlikely that I could obtain the same current yield in other investments in the near future. We must realise that the high yield came about a result of low unit prices, not high growth in dividends. Reinvesting the dividends into REITs is not wise at low yields, however, due to their low returns on capital. I would look at my REIT investment like a fixed income instrument like a bond. A bond doesn&#039;t have the inherent ability to grow its coupon, unlike the business underlying a stock. When bond prices rise, yields fall and vice-versa. So when REIT yields drop to, say, 5% a 13% initial yield will have meant that the REIT unit price has risen by 160%. That&#039;s the time to sell. REITs are good only as a place your excess fund while waiting for other investment opportunities to come along. In the meantime when nothing good comes, the yield will still compensate you for waiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Curious, REIT dividends are taxed at 10% flat for individuals and you don&#8217;t need to declare them in your tax return.</p>
<p>To Larry, keeping REITs in your portfolio is wise provided you have bought them at attractive yields. I have invested in REITs when their yields were as high as 13% and I knew it was quite unlikely that I could obtain the same current yield in other investments in the near future. We must realise that the high yield came about a result of low unit prices, not high growth in dividends. Reinvesting the dividends into REITs is not wise at low yields, however, due to their low returns on capital. I would look at my REIT investment like a fixed income instrument like a bond. A bond doesn&#8217;t have the inherent ability to grow its coupon, unlike the business underlying a stock. When bond prices rise, yields fall and vice-versa. So when REIT yields drop to, say, 5% a 13% initial yield will have meant that the REIT unit price has risen by 160%. That&#8217;s the time to sell. REITs are good only as a place your excess fund while waiting for other investment opportunities to come along. In the meantime when nothing good comes, the yield will still compensate you for waiting.</p>
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		<title>By: curious</title>
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		<dc:creator>curious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a shareholder of Malaysia Reits, are the dividend received subject to income tax ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a shareholder of Malaysia Reits, are the dividend received subject to income tax ?</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3527</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinknotblink - that is very true, yield is only one factor to look at and REITs are never a high growth proposition. For now I quite like them coz it&#039;s hard to even identify companies that can maintain earnings, much less grow them at double digit rates. I&#039;ve found it good to have a combination of growth and income in my own portfolio which is currently less than 20% REITs. Thanks for your insight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinknotblink &#8211; that is very true, yield is only one factor to look at and REITs are never a high growth proposition. For now I quite like them coz it&#8217;s hard to even identify companies that can maintain earnings, much less grow them at double digit rates. I&#8217;ve found it good to have a combination of growth and income in my own portfolio which is currently less than 20% REITs. Thanks for your insight!</p>
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		<title>By: Thinknotblink</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3516</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinknotblink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled upon your website and I must say you belong to a rare breed of generous investors who are willing to dispense sound advice and knowledge freely. I am a serious investor too and spend most of my time and effort in managing my investments. I have read with interest your articles on REITs. It is important for potential investors to realise that REITs are best valued on the basis of yield, not NVA. NVA can be subjected to fair value adjustment in either direction. Most of all, NVA is like a cake in the sky whereas distributed income is real money. Even with high yield, say 10%, investors must realise that this yield can remain stagnant for years to come without the REIT being able to grow income for all kinds of reasons. ROE among REITs are known to be poor despite their high gearing and high payout ratios due to high management fees and high financing costs. Another business may yield 6% on dividends but can grow its earnings and dividends much more rapidly and it is NOT UNCOMMON to find that an investment in a good company at an initail DY of 6% can grow to 30% over 10 years, not counting the accompanying capital gain. It is unlikely that a REIT managing a building for income can generate this kind of return over a long period. The best thing for a REIT investor to do is to channel his income from REITs elsewhere. Never reinvest your income into the same REITs because of their low ROEs. Ho</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled upon your website and I must say you belong to a rare breed of generous investors who are willing to dispense sound advice and knowledge freely. I am a serious investor too and spend most of my time and effort in managing my investments. I have read with interest your articles on REITs. It is important for potential investors to realise that REITs are best valued on the basis of yield, not NVA. NVA can be subjected to fair value adjustment in either direction. Most of all, NVA is like a cake in the sky whereas distributed income is real money. Even with high yield, say 10%, investors must realise that this yield can remain stagnant for years to come without the REIT being able to grow income for all kinds of reasons. ROE among REITs are known to be poor despite their high gearing and high payout ratios due to high management fees and high financing costs. Another business may yield 6% on dividends but can grow its earnings and dividends much more rapidly and it is NOT UNCOMMON to find that an investment in a good company at an initail DY of 6% can grow to 30% over 10 years, not counting the accompanying capital gain. It is unlikely that a REIT managing a building for income can generate this kind of return over a long period. The best thing for a REIT investor to do is to channel his income from REITs elsewhere. Never reinvest your income into the same REITs because of their low ROEs. Ho</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3158</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes look at the table in TheEdge (I think it&#039;s the JCE estimates) but it&#039;s far from exhaustive and does not have ROE. Actually we&#039;ve got the ROE data here but only for the Top 70 or so counters, there are some technical issues but if you like, will try to come up with a table format one day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes look at the table in TheEdge (I think it&#8217;s the JCE estimates) but it&#8217;s far from exhaustive and does not have ROE. Actually we&#8217;ve got the ROE data here but only for the Top 70 or so counters, there are some technical issues but if you like, will try to come up with a table format one day.</p>
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		<title>By: see</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3152</link>
		<dc:creator>see</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, do you know where I can get a stock screener for the whole Bursa market? Wanna screen stocks for factors like ROE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, do you know where I can get a stock screener for the whole Bursa market? Wanna screen stocks for factors like ROE</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3143</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chan, Stareit announced its 2009 Q3 results on 21/5/09. Net Profit down slightly to RM20.0 million compared to pcp of RM20.7 million. NTA of RM1.19 as at 31/3/09 meaning it&#039;s currently trading at 31% discount to NTA. They had a huge revaluation of RM254 mil on Lot 10, Starhill Gallery and JW Marriott in the Q1. Check out Bursa Malaysia announcements page for more details.

Final distribution should be in Aug-09.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chan, Stareit announced its 2009 Q3 results on 21/5/09. Net Profit down slightly to RM20.0 million compared to pcp of RM20.7 million. NTA of RM1.19 as at 31/3/09 meaning it&#8217;s currently trading at 31% discount to NTA. They had a huge revaluation of RM254 mil on Lot 10, Starhill Gallery and JW Marriott in the Q1. Check out Bursa Malaysia announcements page for more details.</p>
<p>Final distribution should be in Aug-09.</p>
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		<title>By: Chan</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/reit-investment-basics-2/comment-page-1/#comment-3124</link>
		<dc:creator>Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Larry, I wonder how come Stareit still hasn&#039;t published its 3rd quarter report on the official website? It&#039;s already June.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Larry, I wonder how come Stareit still hasn&#8217;t published its 3rd quarter report on the official website? It&#8217;s already June.</p>
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