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		<title>By: Chan</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3605</link>
		<dc:creator>Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Raymond, 

When comes to property, the most important factor is location. I don&#039;t prefer to go for low cost because the price appreciation isn&#039;t much. This could be due to the lack of awareness to upkeep the flat.

Try look for medium range apartment in good location, high occupancy rate, near to malls, shops, LRT, good maintenance body, etc. This kind of apartment has the potential to appreciate.

If the rental can yield approx 8% and can cover your installment and monthly expenses, then if the price really inches up, then it&#039;s bonus to you :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Raymond, </p>
<p>When comes to property, the most important factor is location. I don&#8217;t prefer to go for low cost because the price appreciation isn&#8217;t much. This could be due to the lack of awareness to upkeep the flat.</p>
<p>Try look for medium range apartment in good location, high occupancy rate, near to malls, shops, LRT, good maintenance body, etc. This kind of apartment has the potential to appreciate.</p>
<p>If the rental can yield approx 8% and can cover your installment and monthly expenses, then if the price really inches up, then it&#8217;s bonus to you <img src='http://www.horizon.my/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3569</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Raymond, given the small capital outlay on your investment, you&#039;re doing pretty OK mate. 5 years later, you would have paid off your loan completely. You&#039;ve got some equity on which you can leverage into other investments.

From those figures, your property yield is around 8.6% compared to your borrowing cost of around 5 - 5.5% probably. So the bank is working for you here :)

PS. Not sure if you can, but if it is possible to refinance the loan at the current rate of 3.5 - 3.8%, you&#039;d be looking pretty good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Raymond, given the small capital outlay on your investment, you&#8217;re doing pretty OK mate. 5 years later, you would have paid off your loan completely. You&#8217;ve got some equity on which you can leverage into other investments.</p>
<p>From those figures, your property yield is around 8.6% compared to your borrowing cost of around 5 &#8211; 5.5% probably. So the bank is working for you here <img src='http://www.horizon.my/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>PS. Not sure if you can, but if it is possible to refinance the loan at the current rate of 3.5 &#8211; 3.8%, you&#8217;d be looking pretty good!</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3551</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will have to totally agree with Larry on &quot;buying property will work for more people... than buying shares&quot;. On the issue of interest rate etc, take this actual case. I bought a low cost apartment in shah alam for RM70K. Paid a 20K down payment and servicing a monthly loan payment of RM470 (for 10 years). But the apartment gives me a RM500 monthly rental. Isn&#039;t that just great? The rental pays for my installment. 

If I purely look at the interest portion of the installment, it is only RM270/mth. I have been servicing my loan for over 5 years now, and another 5 to go. But like always, there is no sunshine all day through... in the midst of the good thing happening, I realised that the property has not inched upwards with regards to market value. After 5 years, it is still priced at about RM70K... if not lower, when actually sold.

So is this a good thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will have to totally agree with Larry on &#8220;buying property will work for more people&#8230; than buying shares&#8221;. On the issue of interest rate etc, take this actual case. I bought a low cost apartment in shah alam for RM70K. Paid a 20K down payment and servicing a monthly loan payment of RM470 (for 10 years). But the apartment gives me a RM500 monthly rental. Isn&#8217;t that just great? The rental pays for my installment. </p>
<p>If I purely look at the interest portion of the installment, it is only RM270/mth. I have been servicing my loan for over 5 years now, and another 5 to go. But like always, there is no sunshine all day through&#8230; in the midst of the good thing happening, I realised that the property has not inched upwards with regards to market value. After 5 years, it is still priced at about RM70K&#8230; if not lower, when actually sold.</p>
<p>So is this a good thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Chan</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3550</link>
		<dc:creator>Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jasni, 

It&#039;s really hard to predict when is the right time to buy. I wonder how many people can really predict the bottom like in March 2009, buy a lot and earn that amazing 20% to 30%.

Timing is really difficult, at least for me.

I always go for long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jasni, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s really hard to predict when is the right time to buy. I wonder how many people can really predict the bottom like in March 2009, buy a lot and earn that amazing 20% to 30%.</p>
<p>Timing is really difficult, at least for me.</p>
<p>I always go for long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Jasni</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3528</link>
		<dc:creator>Jasni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it doesn&#039;t matter whether it is property or shares. As long as you really keep track of what&#039;s going on. I agree with Larry, have a property first especially if you are young. Once you have extra funds, than you can splurge on share market.

Of course some basic common sense must apply, check on the thing that you want to buy, whether it&#039;s a house or a share stock. And then, of course it is very important to sell it when the price is higher, Only then you&#039;re making a profit. Therefore, a property being physically big and heavy is not as liquid as shares(being pieces of paper or digital these days). That&#039;s why I&#039;m with Larry on this. 

For example in the period from April to last month, a lot of people who invested in the Stock Market were able to make 20% to 30% or higher. That is considered a very short term in being able to make that kind of return. Then towards end June the market took a dip. Some investors lost the entire April-June gain. But then after that, in the last 2 weeks, the market gain momentum and the market is at its highest since the last 1 year. Regardless, whether they came in 3 months ago or two weeks ago, everyone makes. So, just don&#039;t sell when the price is cheaper than what you paid for. And check your timing.

Also, If you want to buy shares, depends whether you want to be in it long term or short term. If you have all the time in the world, go get some blue chip. If you&#039;re a short term impatient guy whose time is always running out, this is what I do. Subscribe to investment bank&#039;s daily report, occasionally read financial newspapers and watch out for tips on what&#039;s hot. Very likely, these will be the most active counters/shares traded. Watch the trend in prices going up and down for a while, catch it when you think it is low and sell when you&#039;ve made at least a minimum 5%-10%. I used Maybank2u Online Stocks. Very easy and fast. One last tip: Don&#039;t be too greedy. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it doesn&#8217;t matter whether it is property or shares. As long as you really keep track of what&#8217;s going on. I agree with Larry, have a property first especially if you are young. Once you have extra funds, than you can splurge on share market.</p>
<p>Of course some basic common sense must apply, check on the thing that you want to buy, whether it&#8217;s a house or a share stock. And then, of course it is very important to sell it when the price is higher, Only then you&#8217;re making a profit. Therefore, a property being physically big and heavy is not as liquid as shares(being pieces of paper or digital these days). That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m with Larry on this. </p>
<p>For example in the period from April to last month, a lot of people who invested in the Stock Market were able to make 20% to 30% or higher. That is considered a very short term in being able to make that kind of return. Then towards end June the market took a dip. Some investors lost the entire April-June gain. But then after that, in the last 2 weeks, the market gain momentum and the market is at its highest since the last 1 year. Regardless, whether they came in 3 months ago or two weeks ago, everyone makes. So, just don&#8217;t sell when the price is cheaper than what you paid for. And check your timing.</p>
<p>Also, If you want to buy shares, depends whether you want to be in it long term or short term. If you have all the time in the world, go get some blue chip. If you&#8217;re a short term impatient guy whose time is always running out, this is what I do. Subscribe to investment bank&#8217;s daily report, occasionally read financial newspapers and watch out for tips on what&#8217;s hot. Very likely, these will be the most active counters/shares traded. Watch the trend in prices going up and down for a while, catch it when you think it is low and sell when you&#8217;ve made at least a minimum 5%-10%. I used Maybank2u Online Stocks. Very easy and fast. One last tip: Don&#8217;t be too greedy. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Chan</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3447</link>
		<dc:creator>Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Shares and property do have their own pros and cons. If you ask me, I would prefer to investment 70% and 30% of my money into property and shares respectively.

For shares, I prefer to go for fundamental ones, at the end, it&#039;s hard earn money. Within this 30%, I allocated some to big cap, resilient and prudent management bluechip while some to REITS. Sound very conservative right? :D

For property, location is the key. To lower the risk, I always look for completed property so that you know what&#039;s happening or going to happen around it. Rental is the income. It&#039;s a long term investment and should keep it as long as you can, at the end, it&#039;s a passive income for many generations to come. Also, look for freehold.

Opinions are welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Shares and property do have their own pros and cons. If you ask me, I would prefer to investment 70% and 30% of my money into property and shares respectively.</p>
<p>For shares, I prefer to go for fundamental ones, at the end, it&#8217;s hard earn money. Within this 30%, I allocated some to big cap, resilient and prudent management bluechip while some to REITS. Sound very conservative right? <img src='http://www.horizon.my/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For property, location is the key. To lower the risk, I always look for completed property so that you know what&#8217;s happening or going to happen around it. Rental is the income. It&#8217;s a long term investment and should keep it as long as you can, at the end, it&#8217;s a passive income for many generations to come. Also, look for freehold.</p>
<p>Opinions are welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.mag</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.mag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all depends on how high a risk taker you are.....The return on shares are great if you are to choose a right portfolio of shares that are prudently selected.Prudent selection means that the shares are liken by GLC or Government investment bodies like Tabung Haji,PNB,EPF or any others bodies that depend on shares price escalation.Do a little study on the shareholdership of the company before investing.That will help you a little in wrongly purchasing a wrong stable of shares.A misselection of shares will cost you a great deal of losses as human nature are that they will hang-on to their portfolio in the hope that it will rebound.I have experience these kind of situation when I purchase 50lots of shares @RM6.40 and held on dearly to it until 10 years later I disposed it at RM0.60.Imagine the burn that I  endured.It&#039;s no more a burn..........it&#039;s an inferno to my life-saving money.
Also,always remember that buying shares are not meant to be kept for long.Once you achived your target,exit the market and do not be greedy as you do not know what&#039;s will  the price of your share be tommorrow.If it is not hurt by the local sentiment,the global economic climate will definately have influence on our local bourse.So,good luck in whatever endeavor that you undertake!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends on how high a risk taker you are&#8230;..The return on shares are great if you are to choose a right portfolio of shares that are prudently selected.Prudent selection means that the shares are liken by GLC or Government investment bodies like Tabung Haji,PNB,EPF or any others bodies that depend on shares price escalation.Do a little study on the shareholdership of the company before investing.That will help you a little in wrongly purchasing a wrong stable of shares.A misselection of shares will cost you a great deal of losses as human nature are that they will hang-on to their portfolio in the hope that it will rebound.I have experience these kind of situation when I purchase 50lots of shares @RM6.40 and held on dearly to it until 10 years later I disposed it at RM0.60.Imagine the burn that I  endured.It&#8217;s no more a burn&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.it&#8217;s an inferno to my life-saving money.<br />
Also,always remember that buying shares are not meant to be kept for long.Once you achived your target,exit the market and do not be greedy as you do not know what&#8217;s will  the price of your share be tommorrow.If it is not hurt by the local sentiment,the global economic climate will definately have influence on our local bourse.So,good luck in whatever endeavor that you undertake!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3367</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 04:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Guys, I just need to clarify something... the above post refers to a situation where you are young and don&#039;t own a property yet, and you are deciding whether to buy a home or invest in shares. As a starting point, I believe that property will work better for most people because they do not yet have the right pyschological mindset to invest in shares. Actually property is a form of forced savings and when you are young, your loan can even be more than 30 years, which means a RM400k loan can be taken for less than RM2k per month which is affordable for many young couples. As for me, I personally prefer shares because it&#039;s more liquid, less headache to get dividends (compared to rental), doesn&#039;t involve huge fees/stamp duty, and a lot less work! But if I did not have my own home, then I&#039;d think twice. It&#039;s always good to build some equity in your own home first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Guys, I just need to clarify something&#8230; the above post refers to a situation where you are young and don&#8217;t own a property yet, and you are deciding whether to buy a home or invest in shares. As a starting point, I believe that property will work better for most people because they do not yet have the right pyschological mindset to invest in shares. Actually property is a form of forced savings and when you are young, your loan can even be more than 30 years, which means a RM400k loan can be taken for less than RM2k per month which is affordable for many young couples. As for me, I personally prefer shares because it&#8217;s more liquid, less headache to get dividends (compared to rental), doesn&#8217;t involve huge fees/stamp duty, and a lot less work! But if I did not have my own home, then I&#8217;d think twice. It&#8217;s always good to build some equity in your own home first.</p>
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		<title>By: remus</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3363</link>
		<dc:creator>remus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I been following ur blog for some time. Thanks for sharing ur learnings generously &amp; it really helps for newbie investor like me.

However, I have strong doubts on what U posted this time for following reasons,
1. deposit 10% &amp; take a 400K loan will incure huge interest and quite impossible to make any meaningful profit.
2. U will have to folk out 2K~3K per month just paying for the interest for begining few years before U can reduce the loan principal amount. The property doesn&#039;t belong to U until the last installment &amp; bank cud sieze the property anytime if U just failed to pay 2~3 installments. 

The only viable possibility is U rent out the property at good price &amp; the tenant pay U very consistenly.  This i feel is definitely more difficult than finding a good stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I been following ur blog for some time. Thanks for sharing ur learnings generously &amp; it really helps for newbie investor like me.</p>
<p>However, I have strong doubts on what U posted this time for following reasons,<br />
1. deposit 10% &amp; take a 400K loan will incure huge interest and quite impossible to make any meaningful profit.<br />
2. U will have to folk out 2K~3K per month just paying for the interest for begining few years before U can reduce the loan principal amount. The property doesn&#8217;t belong to U until the last installment &amp; bank cud sieze the property anytime if U just failed to pay 2~3 installments. </p>
<p>The only viable possibility is U rent out the property at good price &amp; the tenant pay U very consistenly.  This i feel is definitely more difficult than finding a good stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.horizon.my/2009/06/shares-vs-property/comment-page-1/#comment-3344</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a way to invest for a short term and earn at least 4% minimum. To find out how, call me at 016-2054088 for a no-obligation 15 minutes explanation. 

I kid you not, this is real and protected by Bank Negara. All I ask from you is an open mind and heart :) Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a way to invest for a short term and earn at least 4% minimum. To find out how, call me at 016-2054088 for a no-obligation 15 minutes explanation. </p>
<p>I kid you not, this is real and protected by Bank Negara. All I ask from you is an open mind and heart <img src='http://www.horizon.my/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Cheers.</p>
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